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Newbie - origin of this word

Postby mahin » Thu Oct 30, 2003 1:41 pm

We all use word newbie, thought some may be interested in learning about the origin of this word.

NEWBIE:

"New" of course, means "of recent origin, having existed only a
short time; lately made, produced, or grown." That much you know.

The "bie" at the end of the word is an abbreviation of
"Biedermeier," which refers specifically to the German poet Gottleib
Biedermeier (1827-1892). Biedermeier wrote close to 74 different
volumes of rather terse, boring poetry, and began each of them with an
across-the-board disclaimer that each time generally stated "please
forgive the poor quality of these poems -- bear in mind, I'm still
rather new at this whole poetry thing."

There was, of course, no excuse for the quality of his poetry,
but his claims of being "new to poetry" made him famous as a laughing
stock. Consequently, people who made up lame excuses for their
ineptitudes became known in Germany as "Neubiedermeiers." This term
managed to cross the ocean to the States, and became the word "newbie."

Biedermeier died penniless, by the way. Ironically, the name was
misspelt "Biedermyr" on his tombstone, and this was apparently due to
the fact that it was the tombstone carver's "first day on the job."
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Postby fawad » Fri Oct 31, 2003 8:37 pm

Fascinating story. I wonder what the etymology of 31337 and h@x0r is. :)
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Postby LinuxFreaK » Fri Oct 31, 2003 8:49 pm

Dear All PLUCian's
Salam,

l0lz, I think who write own c0de called him/her self elite :P but i still want to know what is h4x0r and leet :P

Fascinating story. I wonder what the etymology of 31337 and h@x0r is. ;)


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Postby newbie » Sat Nov 01, 2003 3:52 am

looks like i need to change mine id on forum.
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Re: Newbie - origin of this word

Postby lambda » Mon Nov 03, 2003 9:02 pm

entertaining story. not true, of course.
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Re: Newbie - origin of this word

Postby mahin » Tue Nov 04, 2003 8:53 am

Could you please enlighten us ? I did not made up but the one who did traced the origin, I can present him with your findings on the basis of which you made this observation.

I posted this as I trusted it to be correct as I have witnessed similar coinage of terms. Take Desi Cable Net or DCN's, now every one use it for Cable Net Pakistani Style. Search its roots and you will find similar story and author of this term is our member :).
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Postby fawad » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:11 am

The Jargon file says:
very common; orig. from British public-school and military slang variant of ‘new boy’


However, I do see usenets postings to the effect of what Mr. Tariq said.
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Postby lambda » Wed Nov 05, 2003 8:02 pm

very common; orig. from British public-school and military slang variant of ‘new boy’


yes, that's more accurate.

However, I do see usenets postings to the effect of what Mr. Tariq said.


google for gottleib biedermeier, and you'll find entries that have to do with that story, nothing else. gottleib is also not how the german name is spelled -- gottlieb is the right spelling. google for the corrected name, too, and especially read http://www.bartleby.com/61/48/B0234800.html.
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Newbie - origin of this word

Postby mahin » Thu Nov 06, 2003 7:02 am

Thanks! while writing I was aware about the purported claim for its Biritish origin but never came across any pre-dated [ printed record of it being used before the invention of computers - after all the basis for its British origin claim is its use before great wars ] mateiral or I did not searched properly [ more likely ].

Now the link lambda provided [ Thanks!] look what it has to say about newbie and then choose.

http://www.bartleby.com/61/65/N0076550.html
http://www.bartleby.com/61/59/N0075900.html
http://www.bartleby.com/61/roots/IE350.html

BTW it does not matter what you think is the real origin of this word so long you contribute to PLUC wiki to help our own " Desi Newbie" aka " Ana-ri " :)
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