Disappointing numbr of replies frm members /membr unactivity

General discussion about PLUC and Linux in Pakistan.

Postby Faraz.Fazil » Sat Jul 19, 2003 9:18 pm

Okies, ill be posting my profile at the wiki soon.

So fawad, what is the number of users you think is appropriate to start linux pakistan khi meetings again? Do they all have to register at wiki?
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Postby fawad » Sun Jul 20, 2003 1:05 am

Faraz,
AFAIK, there isn't a minimum count. The idea for the wiki is to make it convenient for the meeting organizers (Mr. Tariq and Meraj Khattak in Karachi) to confirm how many people are ready to come. Of course, if there's only 2-3 ppl then there's no point in having the meeting, but anything above that should be ok.

I think we should set up a protocol for RSVPing for the meetings. That way, if the number is abysmally low, Mr. Tariq can annouce that the meeting is cancelled instead of having people drive down there for nothing.
Any suggestions in this regard would be welcome (how about a new thread?)
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Postby Faraz.Fazil » Sun Jul 20, 2003 4:48 pm

Good idea fawad.

sorry for asking again and again but, im curious to know that in all the previous khi linux pakistan meetings that were held, what response did
they get in general.Ppl of what age groups attended the meeting.Were there any students? hehe all males or some females as well? and who pays the cost of these meetings?

Just curious to know more about the meetings, since i didnt attend a single metting.But inshallah i will attend the next linux pakistan meeting if it does take place.
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Postby metalione » Mon Jul 21, 2003 12:54 am

hi

i have a question to ask the pioneers of pluc. what is the purpose of PLUC? what is the mission statement, if there is one?

i am sure you guys must have a purpose in mind. but do you have it in written form anywhere. i feel there is a lack of communication to the site visitors. the visiter should be told what PLUC stands for, in a form of mission statement.

IMHO the statement should be developed in this forum, by the contribution of all the members and should be agreed upon by all. this will give the PLUC a direction to work on. for example if we decide upon the following as the mission statement,

the mission of pakistan linux users community is to increase the awareness, usage and implementation of linux in pakistan

then we will meet with this in mind and coordinate our activity around the core mission. this may sound absurd, but i feel this lack of direction is costing us site visitors and member participation.

just my 2 cent of opinion.

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Postby Faraz.Fazil » Mon Jul 21, 2003 8:14 am

I already know quite a lot about pluc and this forum, but not about the linux pakistan meetings.Thats why i asked about it hehe.

yes a mission statement would be nice.
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Postby mrkkhattak » Tue Jul 22, 2003 10:22 am

Assalamualaikum,

You ppl are right. for this purpose I will request all of the members of the forum to say something about this issue ... Beside that we could create a poll if ppl here would like to do this or not ?

Once we talk about it & decide about some specific mission statement, we can further discuss this thing in our next coming meeting ... ? what do u say ?

Regards,

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Postby metalione » Tue Jul 22, 2003 11:34 am

i suggest to start a new thread... then
  1. the site admins first give a draft mission statement, and ask for suggestions, giving limited timeframe. i suggest 1 week.
  2. the members making sugestions dont post thier idea of the mission statement, rather suggest the addition or deletion of specific phrases from the draft. this way the draft would change slowly and would encourage thoughtful debate.
  3. lastly after the lapse of the suggested timeframe, the admins take the suggestions and formulate the final mission statement and start a pole. upon recieving a 2/3rd majority with a minimum of 100 votes the mission statement should be finalised.

what do you guys think ... very democratic process eh??? :wink:

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Re :Unactive

Postby LinuxFreaK » Thu Jul 24, 2003 5:59 am

Faraz.Fazil,
Sir i am Farrukh Ahmed From Karachi. The main problem is for me is my Job as my Company has been closed thats why i ain't come online. thats the main problem.
Best Regards.
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Postby kadnan » Thu Jul 24, 2003 11:49 am

fawad wrote:kadnan,
How come you haven't listed yourself there yet? :)


yaar i tried,wiki not accepting my UserID/Password..and i dont find link to insert details

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Postby khalido » Thu Jul 24, 2003 1:43 pm

linuxpakistan needs to have more information about linux. People do not understand what open source and free software is. Over here, free software means 30rs for any software under the earth. If people know/understand that linux is free to use, then especially in the business world people will be switching to it. These days the BSA is getting pretty active and is a pain for small business's.

On the homepage, there needs to be some properly written advocacy articles explaning all this, and as to why for a third world country it's the best option as compared to Windows. There are many such articles on the net, and till we write our own, we could probably just compile the best few and post them. (And not in the forums but as web pages). Currently the main page on the website is pretty useless, as a lot of users, especially the less advanced ones have no idea what a forum is and will not make the effort to find out.

Currently, this forum is not used much, as there are more/better resources available elsewhere on the net for help on linux. It's the classic chicken and egg problem.


Here is a sample mission statement off the net:

The goals of a local Linux User Group (LUG) are as varied as the locales in which they operate. There is no master plan for all LUGs, nor is this mission statement meant to supply one. Remember, Linux is meant to be free from bureaucracy and centralized control and so should be local LUG?s. Within that philosophy, however, it is possible to identify core mission areas for the Pakistan Linux User Group, namely:
  • advocacy
  • education
  • upport
  • socializing
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Postby Faraz.Fazil » Thu Jul 24, 2003 3:37 pm

Bingo!
Valid points khalido.
You are very right in saying that People in pakistan do not understand what open source and what free software is.

ANd you are also very right in saying that a lot of users, especially the less advanced ones have no idea what a forum is and will not make the effort to find out.

I am a die hard linux and open source fan!

We need to spread a lot of awareness about linux and opensource here in pakistan.We need to educate ppl about what all opensource and linux is about.

I am not joking.I am serious.We need to do something and we need to work really hard in acheiving this goal.

I would like to point out why linux is not so common here in pakistan:
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But we must also keep in mind that given the fact that most users, in fact 90 % computers users in pakistan are total newbies.They will of course have a difficult time with linux, due to the fact that it is not so common here in pakistan and is not as easy as windows.SO if they encounter a problem, there will be no friend or cousin or computer walla to fix ur linux problem.

Here in pakistan, ppl are accustomed to windows, becoz its easy to use.then if they encounter a problem, they can easily get help from their friends or computer walaa becoz it is so common.

Linux on the other hand is difficult, and not many ppl are in a position to even install linux, let alone operating linux or to help/troubleshoot other ppl'z linux problems.

What do you guyz think?
Your comment are appreciated.
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Postby khalido » Thu Jul 24, 2003 7:46 pm

One thing which needs to be done urgently, is to change the front page. It's just too plain.
Maybe the news page can be the main page. I am sure recent forum posts could be integerated somewhere in it.
Also I think the news posted to the site should deal more with Pakistan. For general computer/ and linux news there are a lot more sites.
There should be multiple people posting news items, and stories of how they are using linux in pakistan.

See Neowin.net for ideas.
Another suggestion is providing users with blogs by using something like Drupal or Movabletype. That should be interesting, and would have people coming back more frequently.


edit: I don't mean to critisize, just my thoughts on how it could be made better.
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Postby TheBuGz » Thu Aug 14, 2003 7:25 pm

fawad wrote:kadnan,
How come you haven't listed yourself there yet? :)


Here we would have said Look who is talking !!!
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Postby fawad » Thu Aug 14, 2003 10:02 pm

TheBuGz wrote:
fawad wrote:kadnan,
How come you haven't listed yourself there yet? :)


Here we would have said Look who is talking !!!

TheBuGz,
Please look at the Location: field in this message and you'll find the reason why kadnan didn't say look who's talking.
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Postby newbie » Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:50 am

hello
how are you all!

its nice to see that our linuxpakistan's community is growing.

here is mine question

is linuxpakistan any any way related to govt. of pakistan or its totally a private community project?
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